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Are Subject Indexes dead or dying?

Hi everyone,

 Trying to keep up w/the blog entries and just read an RSS feed on my bloglines (I don't remember which blog) predicting that subject indexes (like Google directory or LII.org) will soon be irrelevant because of social bookmarking, tags, etc...

 I am sure we'll be talking about this during the course at some point, but I wanted to mention that it's a point of interest to me; i'm assuming i'm not the only library instructor who frequently encourages students to use these tools rather than blindly doing an open search in google.  In an academic context, don't we still want some screening of content that is provided by "subject experts", and can we assure this happens in social bookmarking? 

Or maybe I am not keeping up, and the new tools are just as good, or better?

 

Well, full-web subject

Well, full-web subject indexes always were a bit of a tilt at windmills. It's not fiscally possible to hire enough people to index the Web, and the Open Directory Project tends to demonstrate that people rapidly weary of trying to do it manually. Proper indexing is hard work!

What tagging and social bookmarking offer is a loose, messy, patchy way of using what people do anyway (that is, bookmark things of interest and give them a mnemonic to remember later) to approximate a subject index. It's not perfect, but let's face it, neither are our subject indexes. And it carries the not-inconsiderable benefit of using users' own language, not language imposed on users by the dictates of a controlled-vocabulary designer.

There's a lot we don't know about how to troll through a folksonomied system for items of interest. I have this problem regularly when I try to grab Creative-Commonsed photos off Flickr to use in slideshows -- I have to work pretty hard at guessing what tag will get me a photo I like. Clustering techniques help (they can both disambiguate homonyms and suggest related terms), and del.icio.us uses them to some extent, but to my mind not enough.

In my dreamworld, there would be a better integration between keyword searches and controlled-vocabulary-based browsing. In my dreamworld, a keyword query would analyze results to see what CV terms come up oftenest, and suggest them to the user as good places to start. (Open WorldCat sorta does this, but not very effectively. NCSU's Endeca catalogue is a little better. No journal database that I know of does it.) But that would require clueful vendors, and when have libraries EVER had those?

Social bookmarking tools

Social bookmarking tools generically are more like search engines than subject directories, great for finding but less for directed browsing. They do, however, provide a really easy way of making personal (or institutional) subject directories. So, basically, I don't think they obviate the need for subject directories in the least and, in fact, compliment them well by serving as an easy creation tool.

So, that was my comment, but

So, that was my comment, but I had forgotten to log in. Sigh. And, I agree with Dorothea, too.

Yahoo! has hid most of its

Yahoo! has hid most of its subject directories. That is telling because, in the beginning, Yahoo! was more directory than it was search.

Tagging really requires taggers though. If you have alot of taggers, then your folksonomy is going to approximate effective browsing. If you don't, you will need some kind of classification system and authoritative is better than a folksonomy where folk =< a critical mass.

I don't know the literature on this, but I wonder if any study has been done regarding how effective tagging is for people who don't tag, but use tags to navigate through the web. One example is that I see "GTD" in del.icio.us. Does your average Josephine know that GTD means "getting things done"? Even more important does Average Joe realize that an "Asian" tag could very likely lead you to porn?

-Ryan

Part of my current job is as

Part of my current job is as a "subject expert" in Ethnic Studies and Psychology. As such, I believe that print indexes are dead and mostly useless. I think that it will be a variety of online tools that replace indexes, including well indexed databases, tagging, subject search engines, etc.

I am also an instruction librarian and in most classes I have to explain WHAT and index IS. Younger students have no point of reference (besides an end of the book index) with which to compare tagging. To them, tagging just is. Just as technology just is.

Well, to me this is a larger

Well, to me this is a larger question. There's an entire social structure around the production of academic knowledge that students have never been exposed to (and frankly, not even faculty are aware enough of!). The organizational structures we take for granted grow out of that social structure -- publishing, peer review, abstracting/indexing, discipline boundaries, et cetera. I tend to believe it's more important for students (as citizens and productive members of society) to be aware of how societies and sub-societies produce and structure information -- to think critically about "the social life of information" -- than to understand any given information structure. But I'm often told I live in a dreamworld. :)

Geeze, if you think it's

Geeze, if you think it's hard to get students to think critically about "the social life of information," try the public sphere where needs are more basic and the obligations are slimmer.

I have come to advocate the view that knowledge should be seen through "disciples not disciplines." Now that we have visualization techniques and institutional maps it's much easier to organize things according to historical and sociological ties, though not perfect. The more "social" information becomes the more people (especially librarians) are going to have to uncover just how "social" that information is. Lots of opportunity for Wikiality in our future world.

Michelle, delayed response

Michelle, delayed response here but yes, interesting points about teaching on indexing/tagging/subject headings etc...and points i'll be keeping in mind as a teacher myself...thanks as always and more chatting friday!

 

Shireen Deboo, Librarian

South Seattle Community College